January 24, 2017
We just returned last night from the Inauguration of President Donald J. Trump. Below you will find the podcast/transcript of my interview with Jimmy Sengenberger on Saturday, the 21st from D.C.
At the beginning of the Interview, Jimmy makes reference to his guest in the previous hour of his show who did an amazing impersonation of The Donald. So we begin kidding about that interview but it was not with the real Donald Trump.
Enjoy. This is the launch and the take-off. We are nowhere yet near cruising speed. And you my fellow citizens are the ship’s crew.
Warmly and brimming with optimism for America’s future,
THE JIMMY SENGENBERGER SHOW
NEWS/TALK 710 KNUS
DR. MARVIN TREIGER
Photo by Cathy Treiger
JIMMY SENGENBERGER: Time now for the second hour of “The Jimmy Sengenberger Show” News/Talk 710 KNUS. Hope you enjoyed that first hour with the President Donald J. Trump. It’s a pleasure and privilege to be with you tonight, as it is every Saturday night here on News/Talk 710 KNUS. You know, yesterday was Inauguration Day, quite a time to be an American. So many things, hopefully, will be set right, now that Barack Obama is out from the Presidency. I mean, when he got on that helicopter yesterday, I was enthused because my first vote was cast against Barack Obama in 2008 and now we have President Trump.
And, you know, the Inauguration yesterday has really brought about the consternation of a great many not just on the Left but some on the Right, like George Will calling it “a dreadful address,” the Inaugural Address. And, you know, I think that was a bit of an overstatement by George Will. And the overstatement, as well, that others have been presenting has been that it was a “dark” speech, a “dark” address. I found it to be a little less optimistic than I would have liked, but it was a positive speech in terms of what we can do together. And by the way, “we” was emphasized by the President, he only referenced himself three different times, that’s it. It’s refreshing to have a President do that. But obviously, we have not been on our feet the way that it would have been over the last eight years, but it’s fascinating to see where we’re going to be headed now.
And I think it’s going to be very interesting to get the take of a good friend of the program, Dr. Marv Treiger, who has been at the Inauguration, he went to the Inauguration yesterday, and also the Freedom Ball. Hey Marv, Dr. Treiger, welcome back to the show, it’s been a while, good to have you, Happy New Year.
MARVIN TREIGER: Hey, Happy New Year Jimmy. It’s great to be here and I feel like being the interviewee following that of the President Donald J. Trump himself is something to put on my resume.
SENGENBERGER: I think it is, that you actually were the follow-up and he was the warm-up act.
TREIGER: What can I tell you? Mike Pence, move over.
SENGENBERGER: Well, I think it’s just fascinating to see what’s going on in this country. And yesterday, George Will writing that the Inaugural Address, in his mind, was, “a most dreadful address.” What’s your take? You were there, do you agree with that?
TREIGER: Oh, not in the slightest, actually. You know, if George Will is comparing ~~ if he’s after eloquence, then I would say yes, this was not an eloquent speech for the most part. It was direct, plain language, it was the succinct congealing of the points that were made by Donald Trump in getting elected, he was reasserting them, and it was a shock. Just doing that was a shock to the Establishment around him. I mean, one of the things he said was that Washington flourished but not the people. Now, he’s sitting, you know, he’s standing there surrounded by Washington, you know they have to be quaking in their boots. But there was a certain line of thinking that has held that once he becomes the President, there’s going to be some sort of, like, you know, the magic wand or the prince and Snow White’s kiss or something, and he’s all of a sudden going to become Establishment and then he’s going to say all the right things and do them in all the right ways that are established, and that wasn’t to be the case.
So no, I think Will is still stuck in his NeverTrump disposition and just as he can’t seem to find what is really of value and positive. And there were, by the way, some eloquent flourishes in the speech, to me, you know. When he said, “Whether you’re Black or Brown or White, we all bleed the red blood of Patriots.” Those are very important lines because that counter-posed itself to the identity politics that Barack Obama and the Democratic Party have been promoting for the last eight years, the diversity without the unity. And here, he’s putting forth as the core thing, the unity, basically that we’re all human, we all shed red blood, we’re all citizens of America, and that a nation has to put itself first, and he then says, “for other nations, they have to do the same thing.” It’s just like any family, they have to, they put themselves first, and because they all take responsibility or are accountable, putting themselves first, then the real miracle happens, which is that harmony can arise between all the different families and between all the different nations. So it was counter-the-utopianism, woolly-eyed utopianism of Obama and I thought that was a great flourish. I’ll give you another one —
SENGENBERGER: You know, I —
TREIGER: Yeah, go ahead.
SENGENBERGER: Well, I really want to go to the Establishment point, though. I’ve got a clip of him talking about the Establishment. And then I want to give you my take on why he would emphasize that point post-Election when he’s supposed to be working closely with these members of Congress and others in the so-called “Establishment.”
DONALD TRUMP: “Today’s ceremony, however, has very special meaning. Because today, we are not merely transferring power from one Administration to another or from one party to another, but we are transferring power from Washington, D.C. and giving it back to you, The People. For too long, a small group in our nation’s capitol has reaped the rewards of government while the people have borne the cost. For too long, Washington flourished, but the people did not share in its wealth. Politicians prospered, but the jobs left and the factories closed. The Establishment protected itself but not the citizens of our country. Their victories have not been your victories. Their triumphs have not been your triumphs. And while they celebrated in our nation’s capitol, there was little to celebrate for struggling families all across our land. That all changes starting right here and right now, because this moment is you moment, it belongs to you.”
SENGENBERGER: You know Marv Treiger, when we hear Donald Trump make those particular remarks in his Inaugural Address he’s standing by people that he’s supposed to work with. And you might ask the question, why would he essentially insult – at least from their perspective – insult those who he has to work with. And I think the reason why he’s doing this – it’s very shrewd from his perspective, and that is – he wants to set the tone, that we are going to get things done, and if we don’t work forward on these agenda items, he’s going to blame the Establishment in Washington, D.C. He’s putting pressure on them to help move forward with his so-called “hour of action,” and, by being critical of them, is essentially setting up a stage where down the road, he can criticize them and say, well, they are being typical politicians. What say you?
TREIGER: Well, I think you’re absolutely right, Jimmy. I think he’s holding them to account. And he’s seeking to bring them, by holding them to account, to being responsible to the people that they’re supposedly there to serve, rather than their own partisan self-centered agendas. One of the things we noticed was that the Democratic Congressmen, a number of them that decided to – it was a third of their caucus – decided to boycott the Inaugural. Not only did they do that but they did not pass out tickets to seats for people from their own constituencies, who might not have agreed with them, to have a place to sit at the Inaugural. They were deciding for everyone in their constituencies. That’s how partisan the Democratic Party has gotten.
So I think that he’s also talking to the permanent bureaucracy. And by the way, that’s been the issue of the day the whole question around the CIA. And I caught a little bit of CNN – which is ground-central for fake news – I caught a little bit of their show. And I just couldn’t believe it, the way they described his presentation after the meeting with the CIA. They said that it was – oh, where was this line that they had, it was just ~~ ah yes! He was violating the sanctity and dignity of that hallowed ground. Someone must have written that line for, you know, maybe the Arlington part of the last couple of days, but the CIA, all of a sudden the Left considers the “sanctity and dignity of that hallowed ground?” The CIA was the biggest imaginable enemy of the Left, but because Barack Obama, to some degree, succeeded in politicizing the CIA so that it leaned in the Liberal direction, all of a sudden they’re completely changing their tune. Well, they’re going to completely change their tune back again, I assure you, once the CIA gets its hat on right and starts to play the appropriate role. And its permanent bureaucracy, those people who are working – and that was an interesting irony and contradiction in Trump’s remarks today, and that is this: it’s the problem really was the leadership but he’s speaking highly of the staff and the workers and the permanent workers and the experts —
SENGENBERGER: Right, right. And he’s been doing that, he’s been doing that. Dr. Marv Treiger’s our guest. We’ve got to run to a quick break here on “The Jimmy Sengenberger Show” News/Talk 710 KNUS. Don’t go anywhere.
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SENGENBERGER: [Reintroduces Marv Treiger] And now today, Marv Trieger, we saw this March of the Women opposed to Trump in Washington, D.C. and in cities around the country. Let me ask you what your take is on some of the reaction that we’re seeing from folks on the Left, both today and then yesterday when, for example, a limo was lit on fire by protesters. I mean, this is maddening, the Left tried to paint a negative picture of the Tea Party back in the day, never really stuck. Now what are we seeing from folks on the Left?
TREIGER: Well, what we’re seeing is the fruit of policies that are unfortunately leading ~~ because one of the things that struck us here in Washington, D.C. was the fact that there were armed military personnel and police and security forces and secret service and barriers and fences and trucks filled with sand and tractors and pathways that, we were ten minutes away form where we were going to eventually sit, our little Holliday Inn hotel and I eventually had to take three metros and walk a mile-and-a-half to get to that very same place and it took forty-five minutes. Now, the America that ~~ it’s really, the sense is Washington, D.C. on that Inaugural Day was under siege. And it was under siege on the one hand from ISIS and Islamism and lone wolves and that entire movement with which we are at war, and also a section of the extreme Left, who are themselves completely willing to engage in violence, destroy property, and other things. A stink-bomb plot was exposed by James O’Keefe of Project Veritas a few days before the Inaugural. So we don’t want to see America, a free country, we don’t want to see it where you’re going to have soldiers everywhere necessarily all the time, and that’s the fruit of the Left.
So now the Women’s March comes along, okay. Now, we have a new President, and the marchers and the spokesmen for those marchers are not considering this to be a legitimate President. They have grievances with Donald Trump, we could argue about those grievances, you know, certain points here and points there, might be right or wrong. But within hours, really, of the Inauguration, they’re already marching against him in the streets. And this says to me that what we’re going to be looking at in the next period of time is, having been defeated, the Democratic Party, having been defeated at the Governor level, at the State Senate and House levels, at the national House and Senate levels, being defeated at the Presidential level and soon in the Supreme Court they are going to turn to the streets. And the internal logic of the streets is that when you protest peacefully and you’re in absolute opposition, eventually you realize you’re not getting anywhere and so you quit or you get more radical and the violent groupings start to grow in strength and activity. That was the internal dynamic that led to Weathermen in the 1960’s, and I see something very similar will happen here, given this kind of a thing.
So, it was fine, the Women’s March, it was wonderful, there were a lot of people out and they’re sincerely expressing their democratic opinion, love it. They did it peacefully. It was pretty peaceful all over the place. But they’re really jumping the gun on this and as a result they had no coherent program. There was no clear message other than, I guess, not liking Donald Trump. And they had a million different messages. One message was missing. And I looked around for signs, I saw no signs, I listened to the speeches, I heard nothing in the speeches. A women’s movement for women’s equal rights that said nothing about Sharia. Unbelievable. The place where the greatest oppression of women on the planet is taking place at this very moment, the honor killings, the subordination to the man, not a single concern or word about that. So there was a self-centeredness and self-absorption that the Women’s Movement, tied to the Democratic Party and the Left, are just expressed in this entire March.
SENGENBERGER: Speaking of radical Islam and what we’re seeing, I want to – we’ve got to go to a break – but I want to play a quick little snippet of Donald Trump, the President of the United States, in his Inaugural Address doing something that really no President has done before, which is call a spade a spade and call out Radical Islam for what it is and say he intends to eradicate it from the face of the earth.
TRUMP: “We will reinforce old alliances and form new ones, and unite the civilized world against Radical Islamic Terrorism, which we will eradicate completely from the face of the earth.”
SENGENBERGER: Powerful stuff coming from a President of the United States. Now, we have not heard that from Barack Obama, of course, the last eight years. What do you think about the Inaugural Address and what we are going to see from the new President? Join in the conversation with Dr. Marv. Treiger and myself, Jimmy Sengenberger at (303) 696-1971. We’ll be right back. We’ve got a lot more ahead. We’re only halfway through the show. There’s another half to come.
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SENGENBERGER: We’re back, Jimmy Sengenberger here with you, News/Talk 710 KNUS. Thanks for joining us. (303) 696-1971 is our telephone number, if you’d like to be a part of the festivities – Dr. Marv Treiger, former radical Communist, here with us. And, you know, Marv, I think your take on President Trump has been very interesting because, you know, Trump is somebody who generates a lot of consternation among not just folks on the Left but some on the Right. George Will wrote that, “this was a most dreadful Inaugural Address,” writing for another publication, I forget which one but a Left-leaning one, The New Yorker, that’s what it was. Benjamin Wallace Wells called it “a dark Inaugural.” And, you know, the New York Times editorialized that Trump doesn’t get certain thing about America. I want to ask you. Did you get the impression that his speech yesterday was a dark vision, or was it a more optimistic one?
TREIGER: Well, I would say that it was real. And I think it was real, it was down to earth, it was a description in simple language of the reality that we’ve been in. The worst recovery since World War II, 70,000 factories closed over this arc of time from these trade deals, middle class, the working class having an actual lost in median income while the wealthy and the well-connected and the Washington Establishment and those connected to them have seen their situations soar and flourish. To me, it was very real. I wouldn’t describe it as dark, you know, except insofar as that’s dark. Well, that’s fine, that’s exactly right. But when he says things like, you know, and brings it together, he says, “when you open your heart to patriotism, there is no room for prejudice.”
SENGENBERGER: You know I’ve got that clip here. Let’s play that —
TREIGER: Oh you do? Wonderful, I love that line.
SENGENBERGER: Let’s play that and then get your thoughts, Marv Treiger.
TRUMP: “At the Bedrock of our politics will be a total allegiance to the United States of America. And through our loyalty to our country, we will rediscover our loyalty to each other. When you open your heart to patriotism, there is no room for prejudice. The Bible tells us, ‘how good and pleasant it is when God’s people live together in unity.’ We must speak our minds openly, debate our disagreements honestly but always pursue solidarity. When America is united, America is totally unstoppable.”
SENGENBERGER: You know, the rhetoric that he uses is very much – you know, you noted this before – it’s not the most eloquent, but there’s kind of a purpose in that, you know. He is able to connect with the forgotten man, the forgotten woman, as he references, in there. He really, I think, is able to get in touch with the average person in a way that other presidents have not been. He wasn’t using this flowery rhetoric that Barack Obama or George W. Bush, even Ronald Reagan would try to use, but to be more down-to-earth in his descriptions.
TREIGER: Well, some people confuse flowery rhetoric with eloquence. But, you know, Donald Trump has a certain kind of, you know, Queens, New York diction. And if the same speech were delivered with a British accent, with the [imitating] right pauses in the right places, “Patriotism” and all of that sort of a thing, it would then be accepted as having been eloquent because the elite have gotten so mixed up in their way they receive messages, they don’t hear what’s actually going on and being said.
Like, I’ll give you one key example from the speech. He linked the forgotten people of the Rust Belt – many of whom we associate with the White working class but they’re not merely White, they’re also Black and others are Latinos, Women, families, all of this – and he linked the forgotten people of the Rust Belt with those people suffering carnage in the inner cities throughout the country, which we know to be primarily the African-American communities but also in some poor Latino communities where there are gangs.
So to me, the linking of those two things is really one of the keys to this speech. That’s the real unity that patriotism can weld together. But it’s dependent upon successful policies that actually bring about prosperity and don’t lead to a worsening of the distance between those who are succeeding and prospering and those who are left behind.
SENGENBERGER: George Will writes of the phrase “American carnage.” “That was a phrase the likes of which has never hitherto been spoken at an inauguration. Oblivious to the moment and the setting, the always-remarkable Trump proved that something dystopian can be strangely exhilarating. In what should have been a civic liturgy serving national unity and confidence, he vindicated the severest critics by serving up reheated campaign rhetoric about ‘rusted out factories scattered like tombstones across the landscape’ and an education system producing students ‘deprived of all knowledge.’ Yes, all. But cheer up, because the carnage will vanish if we ‘follow two simple rules: Buy American and hire American.’ Simple is the right word.”
TREIGER: Wow. George Will is just ~~ I’m sorry to say because I love what he has to say about Wrigley Field and The Cubs and many things he’s said over the years, and now and then he hits things, the nail right on the head. But when it comes to Trump, you know, he’s got something tickling him somewhere that is not very, very, very helpful. When carnage, what other word is there to use for what’s been going on in the inner cities? 4,000 shot in Chicago in this period? 57% increase in fatal shootings just this last year – and that’s just Chicago? And Chicago’s not the only one, it’s just the one that sticks out the most. You can go ahead to Baltimore and other places. The singular exception is New York. So carnage is very much the word, and the carnage is beyond ~~ that kind of carnage is the carnage of an opioid epidemic of addiction.
People should read Hillbilly Elegy by J.D. Vance, which is the story of the folks, the working people of Appalachia and moving into Ohio from Kentucky and all of that, and you’ll see how these families have been ravaged by the state of the opportunities for them and the horrendous education system, which as Trump said, is flushed with cash but doesn’t really deliver. No, George Will, sorry pal. You just missed it. I was ~~ we were uplifted and moved and —
SENGENBERGER: Yeah, what was the environment like?
TREIGER: Oh, it was fantastic. Well first of all, you know, we were in the standing-room only area behind the seats – in fact, the big block of seats that were empty. So there we were, all crushed up against one another and just, you know, having a wonderful time. It was just fantastic. Got up at 4:45 a.m. in the morning – I’m glad I got up that early, otherwise I would’ve never made it to be able to lean on the fence, which was kind of nice to do. And people were, you know, they were thrilled and happy and there were tears when patriotic things were mentioned, there was silence and respect when prayers were given, but there was also, when Hillary was mentioned, a cheer just spontaneously arose, “lock her up!” They weren’t finished with her – I should say, we weren’t finished with her. So there was that that took place as well and you heard that all across the thing, I could hear it reverberating across onto the other side but not in the circles closest to where Trump was actually speaking, you know, like the other rims.
So it was a grand, grand spirit. And, you know, I just met so many extraordinary people and just loved doing that, just talking to people and finding out about them and ~~ yeah.
SENGENBERGER: Well Marv Treiger, is our guest on “The Jimmy Sengenberger Show” News/Talk 710 KNUS. If you want to get in on the conversation, (303) 696-1971 is our telephone number. Let’s check in with Sharon in Arvada, here on the program. How are you doing, Sharon?
SHARON: Hi. I really am enjoying hearing what it was like when you were right there Mark. That’s wonderful —
SHARON: Okay. Well, I just want to comment on the women that are demonstrating. Those women, I believe it’s been put up by Planned Parenthood because there’s women that wanted to go that weren’t able to because they believed in Pro-Life. So that’s what that is, that’s just all Planned Parenthood. And —
SENGENBERGER: Yeah. I just want to say that I was so struck by the fact that they turned down a Pro-Life group because they disagreed with their sentiments even though they agreed on disliking Trump.
SHARON: Well, that’s Planned Parenthood, but they didn’t want to come out and say that’s Planned Parenthood, just “women.” But that’s all I have to say, and thank you so much for telling us about what it was like being there. It was ~~ we’re watching it on television, I just couldn’t get away from it, it was so beautiful. And we need to pray for him, we need to pray real hard for him.
SENGENBERGER: And all of those in Washington, D.C. right now definitely could use our prayers.
SENGENBERGER: Thank you Sharon for the call.
SHARON: Yeah, thank you.
SENGENBERGER: (303) 696-1971. Greg in Pine is up next. Greg, you’re on with Jimmy Sengenberger and Marv Treiger.
GREG: Marv Treiger, I really appreciate your spot-on analysis, at least in my opinion of everything going on. I wanted to say that when you were mentioning the elocution or the eloquence or the lack thereof of Donald Trump, I don’t see it. I see it as plain-spokenness that the American people want to hear. And we’ve got to remember that fact that kind of talk has been behind billions of dollars worth of growth in his company through the years. I’d be disappointed if he knew how to speak any other way.
SENGENBERGER: Marv, your thoughts?
TREIGER: Absolutely, I completely agree with you. The thing that has to be understood about Donald Trump that was really not true of any of the other people who, in the Republican Primary, that were up against him, is that he is a leader, a man of action, a man who knows how to hire and knows how to fire, knows how to make a deal and knows how to not stand up for just baloney and hit the political correctness.
GREG: We may —
TREIGER: And when your previous caller —
GREG: Thank you.
TREIGER: The previous caller had mentioned praying for him and I really think that’s a good idea because, because of his qualities, I think he is, in this moment, the indispensable man.
SENGENBERGER: Greg, what do you think?
TREIGER: And that’s why I worry for him.
GREG: You know I appreciate that too, that comment also. I really appreciate the appropriate and timely references to God, the repeated references to God in slightly different and very distinct context during his speech yesterday. And I want to tell you, he shows, he talks about the blight, the blight that was described in the great book Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand. And I tell you what, I think America’s lived long enough now to see the Liberal policies that Ayn Rand said wouldn’t work bring about this blight like we see in New York, where we have beautiful oak desks and beautiful woodwork and beautiful offices in high-rise building that are abandoned with people building campfires in them. And I want to tell you, I think we’ve found out – or we may find out in the next four years – just who John Galt is.
SENGENBERGER: That’s a great point Greg, thanks for calling.
GREG: Thank you.
TREIGER: Thank you.
SENGENBERGER: Marv, we’ve got thirty seconds before the break here.
TREIGER: Well, I just love those ~~ I think those two calls were just, you know, perfect bookends to one another, you know. People are reaching deep down into their spirit, into their hearts and into their soul around making this thing work because we all have a deep, deep feeling that if it does not go forward, if some terrible tragedy should intervene or if world events or however they should be should derail this train, then America will be in even deeper, deeper doo-doo. Instead, I see a new century —
SENGENBERGER: We’ll be right back on “The Jimmy Sengenberger Show,” a few more minutes with Dr. Marv Treiger on the other side of the break.
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SENGENBERGER: We’re back. A little blues for you, “The Jimmy Sengenberger Show” New/Talk 710 KNUS. Got Dr. Marv Treiger on the line, we’ve got a couple of callers as well. Let’s bring Randy in Parker on the program. Randy, what is going on sir, how are you?
RANDY: Hey, hey. How are you doing, Jimmy? Hey, I’m enjoying your conversation tonight with Marv. I have a question for Marv and that is, when you look at the education system in our country, where the Left just dominates the whole education system, my theory is – and I want to get your comment on this, Marv – that the Left, and Obama has been great at it, is cramming the civilian part of the government full of Lefties. And look at what the IRS did to Conservatives. I mean, I have a really jaded view now of the intelligence section or sector, when you look at Brennan and Clapper, and how are we going to combat that? And can Trump do that?
SENGENBERGER: Thanks for the call Randy. What are your thoughts, Marv?
TREIGER: Well, I think Pompeo at the CIA is going to begin that process. I think the appropriate moment was for Trump to make a distinction between the leadership and the main body of workers. But then once the ball gets rolling what’s got to happen is that, you know, anybody who leaks something, anybody who stalls, anybody who drags their feet, anyone who opposes, throws a monkey wrench into the policies, they have to go. And draining the swamp will not be confined to the leadership.
SENGENBERGER: (303) 696-1971 is our telephone number. Elaine in Aurora, up next. What’s going on, Elaine?
ELAINE: Hi, I just had a few comments about the Inauguration.
ELAINE: I was so pleased about the traditional style of it and that there was so much mention of God and so many ministers and priests and even a rabbi and everybody came and spoke. I thought God was really there at the time. And, you know, I voted against Hillary, I didn’t vote so much for Trump as against Hillary, but I’ve been very impressed with what he has done so far. And my one other comment that I wanted to make, I don’t think the Women’s March represents me as a mother and grandmother at all.
SENGENBERGER: Thank you Elaine for the call. You know Marv, I think that that is the case for a great many women and people generally across the country, that the media is really trotting this out as an expression of women across the country united against Donald Trump. Elaine is an example that that’s not the case.
ELAINE: Exactly. I’m not ~~ they don’t speak for me at all. And when they cut out half the women who are Pro-Life, it’s not really representative of women, it’s not.
SENGENBERGER: Marv, what’s your thought?
TREIGER: Well, yes, they did exclude, in fact, a group of feminists who are in general agreement with them but who are also Pro-Life. So that meant that rather than it being a “Women’s March” it was a women’s march for violence in the womb. And they should, you know, honesty in labeling I think would be more appropriate.
SENGENBERGER: Yeah, I think, Marv, that when we look at the issue of this March, so-called, it really is just an example of what the Left is about, which is you are going to step in line with our ideology on all of these issues or we’re going to exclude you even if you’re united in the cause we’re promoting as being the thing that brings us to the event.
TREIGER: Yeah, it’s another realm of political correctness and how they’ve co-opted the language. Earlier you mentioned Trump’s statement about defeating Radical Islamic Terror and you unique that was to explode the political correctness of the language with regard to Islamism. Well, I feel that’s just the opening step, because now that that’s on the table, and as they begin to be defeated, which they will be, we’re going to have to take along look and be frank and honest about whether or not Islam is in fact a religion of peace. I think what’s going to have to happen for it, if it should ever become a religion of peace, there’ll have to be a Reformation. And as long as we won’t touch that, then we’re not really ~~ we’re still stuck in political correctness, and that afflicted the George Bush administration as well, so that’s a key. But I’m completely in agreement about the Women’s Movement and that’s one of the most irritating things about it as can be, pretending to be speaking for them all.
SENGENBERGER: Dr. Marv Treiger, my friend, it’s always a pleasure to speak with you. Thanks so much for spending an hour from Washington, D.C., giving us your insights.
TREIGER: Congratulations on your new show, Jimmy.
SENGENBERGER: Thank you very much my friend. We’ll be right back after the news.
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